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Day 27: Lilah/Wes, Lilah/Wes, Lilah/Wes! - Lilah Month -- It's a Party Up in Here

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*snickers* Okay, so I have a bit of a love for my favorite pairing. Sue me. They're pretty, they're smart, they have the sexy sex, and they're really pretty.

In honor of the Lilah/Wes month-ender, yours truly has a new layout (with love to katemonkey for the graphics and relentless web standards pimping) at Double Indemnity. Which is all shiny.

Today's "Meta Day" which really just means, "share your thoughts on the relationship."

Like this: I think it's fascinating that as early as "The Ring" that Lilah and Wesley were unwittingly paralleled. They both tend to be observant problem-solvers who spend less time thinking about everyone's feelings and more about how to solve the problem for their team. Notably? In "Untouched" both Lilah and Wesley have fairly effective strategies in working with Bethany, and it would seem both have personal issues relating to the girl. Then, of course, there's "Billy" which wittingly/unwittingly I think leads directly to the two of them winding up in bed together. There's also that weird shared sense of being "the emergency back-up hobbit" with both characters; while both are clearly talented and are probably the most obvious leaders of their various organizations, there's always a Byronic golden boy who stirs heart, even if said golden boy has eviloverlord.com bad plans (that nonetheless work or fail).

I also think that had ME capitalized on the "frustrated talent irritated by being second banana and scapegoat for the Hero" aspect, this would have been the best villain team ever, and Darth Rosenberg's exploits would be a distant second there...
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Date:June 27th, 2004 03:15 pm (UTC)
The new layout is lovely:)

A Wes/Lilah tag-team of conflicted Antagonists to the titular character would have surely rocked hardcore.

But one thing that really interests me is the question why haven't more writers that are interested in the grey morally complex parts of the Jossverse written the pairing. Yep, ME made a better job of it than the parallel couple, possibly due to being more capable of writing the genders the W/L way round, Stephanie being a better actress and many other factors. But there's so much there to explore, burrow into, as there are in Lilah's character generally.

And while we've a higher ratio or good writers to not than in many other popular pairings, I'm still surprised more writers, especially women - who with Lilah get to play with a morally complex, sexually comfortable, grey, interesting character that actually is a woman, not a male that's often in the female role - don't write the character or the pairing. And I can't help wondering why.
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Date:June 27th, 2004 04:20 pm (UTC)
*shakes head* Having just gone through the DI archive, I am surprised at the number of people who write off evil women as somehow stupid or naive. Or, more usually, Wes is like, "wow, she's the hot! Pity she's evil, and thus a h0r not worth the time it takes to come!"

And I know I'm coming at a lot of post-Tomorrow stories with a post-Never Fade Away POV, but it's very strange that very few writers do Wes/Lilah where Wesley is genuinely tempted by Lilah. Not by Wolfram and Hart, because not even Lilah takes that "temptation" seriously. But Lilah's not only very attractive and sexual, she's bright, cultured, and honest. *And*, and this is where I think the temptation comes in, she would have gone in with him on a "overthrowing the world" scheme with barely a backward glance at W&H or anything. So it's like...he's *not* tempted to either toss "the life" and just stay in balance with the universe, personally very happy with Lilah, and he's *not* tempted to use all that intelligence and cunning for their own ends?

I am doubtful of that. Really am.

But yeah, I'm disturbed at the number of "Lilah's not quite bright" Wes/Lilahs, where she's like, "whee, I'm evil, and thus totally stupid in the ways of human psychology!" and it's like, "um, not only is that a direct contradiction to canon, wow. Sloppy!"
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Date:June 27th, 2004 06:03 pm (UTC)
Nice new layout. Love the movie reel graphic.

I don't understand what to think about Wes and Lilah in the post-S4 world. The story of them as portrayed in S4 seemed very clear to me (and also very compelling), but I feel like Wes' recharged Fred obsession in S5 undercut what I thought he had learned from his time with Lilah. I thought he had joined W&H to save her, or at least try, and that was never mentioned again. And I understand that Joss really wanted to go in the Eve direction, but I don't get a story reason for why we never saw Lilah try to get in touch with Wes again. Now you can say that all the changes are because his memories were changed, but it doesn't seem like they were changed much with regard to Lilah (it really annoys me that I never learned what S5 Wesley thought about Lilah). I'm trying to play it in my head as they were moving on, but it felt like regression.

Don't get me wrong, I love my OTP, but their story has stopped making sense to me. (Damn you, Joss Whedon!)

As to them teaming up for evil, oh yeah would that have ruled. W&H and Angel both would be at a loss without their COO types to organize the counterattacks.
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Date:June 27th, 2004 06:59 pm (UTC)
No, it stopped making sense to me, too, and for one big reason. The Wesley I understand, even a Wesley who fell for Fred (though I admit, a Wes who fell for Fred after "it's not always about holding hands" is really hard for me to buy), who knew that someone he cared about was rotting in Hell would have tried to find a way out for her. Not for some grand happily ever after, but because letting her rest in peace would be the right thing to do.

And seeing as Wes broke up with Lilah, not because he didn't like/love/care for her, but because it was "the right thing to do," having there not even be a scene where Angel sees Wesley looking over a book that says, "contract law" reminds me why S5 happened in the crackverse for me.

I can understand Lilah not getting in touch with Wes, because it was entirely possible she was unable to, being chained up to a wall in Hell or something? (though I agree that without the supertext, that barely plays -- she would have found a way) But the Wes stuff really stops playing in my head, because I'm like, "okay, wait. He saw her undead, knew she was going back to...and didn't even try to...oh, screw you, Joss Whedon!"
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Date:June 28th, 2004 06:20 am (UTC)
being chained up to a wall in Hell or something? (though I agree that without the supertext, that barely plays -- she would have found a way)

Really, it does not play. She convinced Angel to join W&H, knew just the card to play to bring him in, and she gets rewarded by being sent back to punishment? She didn't cut herself some kind of deal? That makes no sense.
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